Lightwave range extender

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  • #7365
     Stokie21 says:

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    Hi guys, I have some plugs in my garden shed which quite a lot of the time don’t turn off / on due to the range. I only use my iPhones / iPad and laptop to control the system, but need something to boost the signal! I know there is an rf adaptor but its not what I want , as I don’t use the hand controls. I find it difficult to believe with this system there is not a wifi extender! Like an access point, that can plug in by rj45 or connect to wireless And repeat the signal, I have a network wire that is in the shed, if I plugged the ” booster ” in there it would cover the whole of my garden! What do you guys do with the bigger houses!

    Surely lightwave must have thought about this, I just wondered if I am not looking in the correct place! And it is already on the market!

    #7368
     skiv71 says:

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    you can use 2 wifi links, an address them independantly.

    the app sends a udp broadcast so each should hear this a you’ll get 2 transmissions (in theory).

    when i used to use the wifi link, i was specifically targetting it by ip address (via php).

    right now i use rfxtrx433 and you can have multiple of them too…

    Neil

    developer of BMS Link (http://linode.bmslink.co.uk). A cloud based Home Automation platform for LightwaveRF, Z-Wave, RFXCOM.
    #7370
     petrolhead says:

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    #7372
     Stokie21 says:

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    Thanks petrolhead, but that is not a wifi extender all that does is extend the range of the hand controls ( which i dont use )

    skiv71: so your saying i need to buy a new link? as in this
    http://lightwaverfcommunity.org.uk/shop/controllers/wi-fi-link/

    or the option of one of these?

    http://lightwaverfcommunity.org.uk/shop/controllers/rfxcom-rfxtrx433-usb-433-92mhz-transceiver/

    which is a wifi extender, and you can plug it in via cat 5, which will extend the network?

    its strange that the above poduct costs more money than the link! why is it so expensive? what does it do ?

    #7374
     skiv71 says:

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    Stokie…

    Assuming you can get network out there (homeplug etc) then an additional wifi link would widen you broadcast area.

    To use an rfx you have a more customisable setup but will require more ground work.

    You’d need something like either domoticz or my system http://ndautomation.net:8180 [guest:guest]

    Neil

    developer of BMS Link (http://linode.bmslink.co.uk). A cloud based Home Automation platform for LightwaveRF, Z-Wave, RFXCOM.
    #7375
     petrolhead says:

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    That device also can be paired with the wifilnk to extend its effective range of controlling your lwrf devices which it seems like possibly what you are asking but not very clearly. If its the wifi signal for your ipad you are on about, the wifilink has nothing to do with wifi really, it doesn’t even support wifi natively. If its that you either need to add a wifi repeater(but these cause extra traffic on the network and are more particular about their positioning) , or better another access point in your shed wired into your LAN with a unique ip address and wifi channel but exactly the same ssid and network key as the existing one. I often have to fit 4 or 5 access points in larger homes to get 100% coverage, especially homes with the foil backed insulation and plasterboard.

    #7376
     petrolhead says:

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    I personally favour theses: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-WA901ND-Advanced-300Mbps-Wireless/dp/B002YETVXC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top they can be configured as an ap, a client, a bridge or a repeater. I have found them solid and reliable and the Poe injector included makes life easier when you want to fit one where there is no mains socket nearby.
    You would set it up as an ap, with the same ssid and network key as your home wifi, plug it into the network point in your shed and you are good to go for wifi in the garden. If yor wifi link in thehouse then does not operate the lwrf receivers in the hut that’s when you add the lwrf signal booster I linked to earlier and pair it up to the outdoor devices programmed in the wifilink.

    #7377
     skiv71 says:

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    I prefer homeplugs to distribute network in hard to reach places.

    As petrolhead said, wireless can be ruined by modern houses and the foil they use.

    developer of BMS Link (http://linode.bmslink.co.uk). A cloud based Home Automation platform for LightwaveRF, Z-Wave, RFXCOM.
    #7388
     Stokie21 says:

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    Sorry if I am unclear, it’s the wifi link I want to extend. If I wanted to extend my own wifi network I would not post in the lightwave forum ( that sounds rude but I assure you I don’t mean it to come across that way )

    Thanks both for the input, I have quite a large network for a home user and have access points kicking around that I am not using. I also have a few home plugs. So have I understood correct in thinking
    if I add an access point to my shed ( well its a hawk mews, which I already have a wired in cat5 ) which goes down the garden and plugs directly into my router ( wire is there for an ip camera ) it will extend the lightwave range ?

    I know this will extend my network range as thats what an access point does , but I thought the signal come from the lightwave box and not the network?

    Another way of putting it is if I plugged in a 500meter cat 5 wire in my router and stuck an access point at the end of it, I could control the plugs 500 meters away via wifi ?

    as my phone would be connected to the router, which would send the signal down the cat5 to the access point, which would send the signal to the plugs to turn them off?

    I know in a real world you don’t get a 500m but it was an example !

    #7389
     petrolhead says:

    petrolhead
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    I’ve told you twice already what you need to use to boost the Lightwaverf 433mhz signal range. What is it you are not understanding?

    #7390
     skiv71 says:

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    the 433mhz transmission comes from the wifi link (or rfx in my case).

    In such a large site install, there could be 2 issues…

    client devices not able to reach the server devices (wifi link/rfxcom), and in this case, you’d spread your LAN via access points/homeplugs etc etc.

    if you can reach the transmitters ok (via LAN/WLAN) but the 433 transmitter is not reaching devices you need to broaden the scope of coverage.

    I think the extender unit that LW sell may work, but as i understand it, you have to explicity pair things (wifi link etc etc).

    It would be simpler to get another wifi link and each one will respond to the UDP message and transmit.

    Neil

    developer of BMS Link (http://linode.bmslink.co.uk). A cloud based Home Automation platform for LightwaveRF, Z-Wave, RFXCOM.
    #7392
     Chris says:

    Chris
    Key Master

    Officially I understand that multiple wi-fi links are not supported. That doesn’t mean they will not work – particularly if they don’t overlap each other.

    What I think the OP is asking for is to extend the RF coverage (i.e. the 433Mhz Radio Signal which actually controls the devices). The devices are not Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi extenders will not help.

    The official solution if the LightwaveRF Signal Booster. It isn’t obvious at first how these work and the OP talks about extending the hand held devices. At the RF level there is no difference between the handheld remotes and the Wi-Fi link. All the Wi-Fi link does is send out the RF in response to a network message rather than a button press.

    What you need to do is pair the signal booster with the Wi-Fi link as if it were the device you wanted to control. When the signal booster receives a signal telling it to turn on, it repeats the ON signal but with a different device ID. Because it is a different device ID, you then need to pair the device you want to control with the signal booster. It isn’t really a booster, it’s more like a repeater. Technically you can then un-pair the device with the Wi-Fi link as you won’t actually need this pairing any more. The device will respond to signals from the booster and the booster will respond to signals from the Wi-Fi link.

    HTH

    Chris Mills Founder and Editor - LightwaveRF Community http://cpmills.com/ http://lightwaverfcommunity.org.uk
    #7396
     Stokie21 says:

    Stokie21
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    Thanks for your post Chris, you are correct in saying i want to increase the range of the 433 network I have no interest in making my wifi range bigger, as that already goes round the house with no problems

    Petrol Head has pointed out this product

    http://www.screwfix.com/p/lightwaverf-signal-booster/28738

    Which i will go and get tonight, I thought this only made the range of the hand controls get more distance, which would be useless to me as i dont use the hand controls, however petrolhead has said it also will work over the wifi, so my iphone as an example would work with it. I only have the on/off sockets at the moment with my lighwave kit, around 18 are in use with 5 sockets in the bird mews ( shed )

    I think this “booster” does 6 sockets which sould just about do the mews

    One thing i dont know is how to pair the “booster” with the link??

    Neil has kindly also pointed out another option for me, which if the above dont work I will have to try. I will start with the lower prices options and fingers crossed that will work, The sockets sometimes work fine and other times dont turn on / off so it must only just be out of range. I am hoping to put the booster in the middle of the garden as its 100% wireless, which sould be enough to get a good signal to the mews

    Thanks again to all for the help

    #7397
     Dave says:

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    Hi guys, I have some plugs in my garden shed which quite a lot of the time don’t turn off / on due to the range. I only use my iPhones / iPad and laptop to control the system, but need something to boost the signal! I know there is an rf adaptor but its not what I want , as I don’t use the hand controls. I find it difficult to believe with this system there is not a wifi extender! Like an access point, that can plug in by rj45 or connect to wireless And repeat the signal, I have a network wire that is in the shed, if I plugged the ” booster ” in there it would cover the whole of my garden! What do you guys do with the bigger houses!

    Surely lightwave must have thought about this, I just wondered if I am not looking in the correct place! And it is already on the market!

    Hi Stokie21,

    you could always look at the problem a different way. I assume that the power source for your shed originates in the house? If so, then forget having plug modules in the shed and put in line relays in the house on the feed line to the shed – this is what I do for my garden lighting and water feature. Keeps everything nice and dry too!

    Hope that helps.

    Dave.

    LWRF, RFXCom on RPi, Domoticz, Heatmiser, Micasaverde Vera Lite and AlertMe all running in harmony(ish).
    #7398
     skiv71 says:

    skiv71
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    I’d still use multiple wifi link… simple :) or better still, rfxtrx433 :)

    developer of BMS Link (http://linode.bmslink.co.uk). A cloud based Home Automation platform for LightwaveRF, Z-Wave, RFXCOM.
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